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Which God is real?

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There wouldn’t be such a thing as counterfeit gold if there were no real gold somewhere.

—SUFI PROVERB

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Some viewers of this website may inclined to ask:  OK, assuming that there is a God, how can you be so arrogant as to believe that YOUR God is the true God and that every other concept of God is wrong?!  How utterly closed-minded, ethnocentric, naive, and parochial!!  Further, what evidence do you have that Jesus is who he said he was?  The testimony of some writings from 2000 years ago?!  

Well, the first crucial point is that the Judeo/Christian concept of God has emerged throughout history in far more instances than just in Judaism and Christianity.  In fact, the Judeo/Christian concept of God is utterly transcultural and transhistorical:

Roy Abraham Varghese notes in his book The Christ Connection: How the World Religions Prepared the Way for the Phenomenon of Jesus:

“No one has chronicled the belief of…primeval peoples in as much detail as [Wilhelm] Schmidt in his twelve-volume The Origin of the Idea of God.  Schmidt points out that the African and Asiatic Pygmies believed in a supreme being.  The same is true of the Bushmen in South Africa; the inhabitants of Tierra del Fuego in South America; the Aboriginies of Australia; the Samoyeds, Koryaks, and Eskimos of the Arctic; and major Native American tribes.  The notion of a supreme being is truly global. The names most commonly given to the supreme being, says Schmidt, denote his ‘fatherhood, creative power and residence in the sky.’  The primeval peoples also highlight key attributes of the supreme being:

1) Eternity,  2) Omniscience,   3) Beneficence,   4) Morality,   5) Omnipotence,   6) Creative power,  

7) Giver of the moral code,  8) Author of moral rewards and punishments.”

These same above eight attributes are the crucial attributes of the God of the Bible.  Considering this, one would be inclined to ask:  If the concepts of God emerging in separate cultures have the same attributes, by what means could one reasonably argue that these cultures are referring to anything other than the same God?

This phenomenon of the one true God revealing himself to all peoples is further described by Christian missionary Don Richardson in his book Eternity In Their Hearts: Startling Evidence of Belief in the One True God in Hundreds of Cultures Throughout the World.

Among the many examples that Richardson cites is that of the Karen people of Burma (now known as Myanmar).  He cites Karen hymns as evidence to this fact:

One such hymn extolled the eternity of Y’wa’s being [Y’wa being the Karen name for God]:

“Y’wa is eternal, his life is long.  One aeon–he dies not!  Two aeons–he dies not! He is perfect in meritorious attributes.  Aeons follow aeons–he dies not.’”

The Karen story of man’s falling away from God contains stunning parallels to Genesis chapter 1:

“Y’wa formed the world originally.  He appointed food and drink.  He appointed the “fruit of trial.”  He gave detailed orders.  Mu-kaw-lee [Satan] deceived two persons.”

“When Y’wa made Tha-nai and Ee-u, he placed them in a garden…saying, ‘In the garden I have made for you seven different kinds of trees, bearing seven…kinds of fruit.  Among the seven, one tree is not good to eat…If you eat, you will become old, you will sicken, you will die…Eat and drink with care.  Once in seven days I will visit you…’”

“After a time Mu-kaw-lee came to the man and woman and said, ‘Why are you here?’

“Our father put us here,’ they replied.

“What do you eat here?’ asked Mu-kaw-lee

“Our Lord Y’wa has created food for us, food without limit.’

“‘Show me your food,’ said Mu-kaw-lee.

“…Our Father, the Lord Y’wa said to us, ‘Eat not the fruit of this tree.  If you eat, you will die.’

“…Then Mu-kaw-lee replied, ‘It is not so, O my children.  The heart of your Father Y’wa is not with you.  This is the richest and the sweetest…If you eat it, you will possess miraculous powers.  You will be able to ascend to heaven…  If you will eat the fruit as a trial, then you will know all…’”

In the paragraphs that follow, the man, Tha-nai, refuses the enticement and walks away.  The woman, Ee-u, lingers, succumbs to temptation, eats the fruit and then entices her husband, who also eats.

Richardson goes on to describe how these Karen beliefs about Y’wa almost certainly “predate both Judaism and Christianity.”  Later in the book, after detailing many other cultures with concepts of God strikingly similar to the Judeo/Christian God, Richardson laments:

“How tragic then that Christians in general have been told almost nothing of this worldwide phenomenon of monotheistic presupposition underlying most of the world’s folk religions!  Many theologians — and even some missionaries whose ministries have been tremendously facilitated by the phenomenon — have nervously pushed this mind-expanding evidence into the closet.”

“Why?  If you belong to a tradition which has been teaching Christians for centuries that the rest of the world sits in total darkness and knows zilch about God, it becomes a little embarrassing to have to say, ‘We have been wrong.  In actual fact, more than 90 percent of this world’s folk religions acknowledge at least the existence of God.  Some even anticipate His redeeming concern for mankind.’”

“…No other message on Earth has an inside track already laid for it in the belief systems of thousands of very different human societies!”

In Finding God in Ancient China: How the Ancient Chinese Worshiped the God of the Bible, Chinese Christian Chan Kei Thong notes how the same God described in the Christian and Hebrew bible revealed himself to the ancient Chinese:

“When we look at what the ancient Chinese knew of Shang Di and at the kind of relationship they had with Him and He with them, we can say with confidence that Shang Di parallels the Creator God of the Hebrews and Christians.  The picture that emerges dovetails so neatly and corresponds so closely with the One described in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures that we can recognize Him as one and the same.”

Chan goes on to list the attributes which Shang Di and the God of the Bible have in common:  He substantiates these common attributes by citing biblical passages and corresponding passages in ancient Chinese writings.  These attributes include: sovereign, eternal, immutable, all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, infinite, loving, holy, full of grace, faithful, good, merciful and compassionate, just and righteous, and wise.

Regarding Jesus, one crucial point is that Jesus’ life and purpose (to serve as God’s self-sacrifice in human form as a remission for human sin) was foretold before his birth.  The 53rd chapter of the book of Isaiah from the Hebrew Bible, written 700 years before Jesus birth, is perhaps the most prominent of these prescient Hebrew scriptures:

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Perhaps most Christians reading this will already be familiar with the above prophecies.  But, much less known is the fact that Jesus’ arrival was foretold in the Hindu scriptures.  That’s right, Hindu scriptures *.  Sound like a bold claim?  Decide for yourself:

Roy Abraham Varghese cites excerpts from the Hindu scriptures known as the Vedas and Upanishads, which predate (by hundreds of years), and very convincingly seem to prefigure, the life and mission of Jesus, in his book The Christ Connection: How the World Religions Prepared the Way for the Phenomenon of Jesus.  The Vedas date to at least 1200 B.C. and the Upanishads to around 500-400 B.C.  Below are a few of these passages:

“The Supreme Creator took a perfect human body (Nishkalanka Purusha) and offered it up as a self-sacrifice (Brihad Aranyak Upanishad 1:2:8).”

“If you want to be delivered from the sin, which you commit through eyes, mouth, ears and mind, bloodshed is necessary.  Without shedding the blood, there is no remission for sin.  That must be the blood of the Holy one.  God is our creator.  He is our King.  When we were perishing, He came to save us by offering even his own body on our behalf.” (Tandya Mahabrahmana 4.15).

“The redemption is through shedding of blood only and that blood has to be through the sacrifice of God himself.” (Taittiriya Aranyaka, verse 3).

“This [sacrifice] is the only way for the redemption and liberation of mankind.  Those who meditate and attain this man, believe in heart and chant with the lips, get liberated in this world itself and there is no other way for salvation too.” (Yajur-Veda 31:18)

“The Purusha was above sin, and only in knowing him does one attain immortality.” (Chandogyopanishad 1:6:6-7)

“After giving Himself as the supreme sacrifice, this Purush resurrected himself.” (Brihadaranyakaopanishad 3.9.28.4-5; Kathopanishad 3: 15).

“The purpose of this sacrifice is to provide the only way to Heaven and the only way to escape from Hell.” (Rig-Veda 9:113:7-11; 4:5:5; 7:104:3).

“His hands and legs are to be bound to a yoopa [a wooden pole] causing blood shed.” (Brihadaranyakaopanishad 3.9.28; Aitareya Brahmana 2:6).

“The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines.” (Rig-Veda 10:90:7, Brihadaranyakaopanishad 3:9:28).

“Before death he should be given a drink of somarasa [sour wine made of an herb called somalatha].” (Yajur-Veda 31).

“None of His bones must be broken.”  (Yajur-Veda 31:; Aitareya Brahmana 2:6)

Please review this article from the Indian newspaper The Hindu, which makes the same points as Varghese.

And contrary to misunderstandings in the west (that have resulted from cultural mistranslations), Hinduism (at least as presented in the Vedas and Upanishads) is a largely monotheistic, not polytheistic religion.  Varghese explains that “the tenth book of the Rig-Veda says, ‘The One Being is contemplated by the sages in many forms: Ekam santam bahudha kalpayanti.’”

In The Wonder of the World, Varghese cites the great Hindu scholar B.N.K Sharma who declares that, also contrary to misinterpretations, Hinduism* is theistic as opposed to monist (theism teaches that God and the universe are separate, monism teaches that they are one in the same).  Perhaps most remarkably, it is a monotheistic religion with echoes of the Christian concept of the Holy Trinity.  Sound like more bold claims?  Hard to believe?  Read the book.

Further, the God of the Bible apparently revealed what he was doing with the sacrifice of his son Jesus to the ancient Chinese.  Chinese Christian Chan Kei Thong writes in Finding God In Ancient China: How the Ancient Chinese Worshiped the God of the Bible:

“The Bible recounts a dramatic astronomic phenomenon occurring at the cruxifiction:

It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour, because the sun was obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn in two.  And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, ‘Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.’  Having said this, He breathed His last. (Luke 23: 44-46)

Note that this solar eclipse lasted for three hours — from the sixth to the ninth hour, which is roughly noon to 3pm in modern timekeeping–before Jesus breathed His last.  At that moment, the veil of the Jewish temple was supernaturally torn in two: a dramatic symbolization that the barrier between God and man was removed once and for all.”

“Once again, this event is corroborated in the Chinese historical documents, which record a highly significant solar eclipse occurring around the time indicated in the biblical account:

In the day of Gui Hai, the last day of the month, there was a solar eclipse, [The emperor] avoided the Throne Room, suspended all military activities, and did not handle official business for five days.  And he proclaimed, ‘My poor character has caused this calamity, that the sun and the moon were veiled, I am fearful and trembling.  What can I say?… Anyone who presents a memorial is not allowed to mention the word ‘holy’”.

“Another entry made a short time later, referring to the same eclipse, said:

Summer, fourth month [of the year], on the day of Ren Wu, the imperial edict reads, ‘Yin and Yang have mistakenly switched, and the sun and the moon were eclipsed.  The sins of all the people are now on one man.  [The emperor] proclaims pardon to all under heaven.’

This solar eclipse was recorded in the Record of the Latter Han Dynasty, Gui Han was the last day of the third month in the spring, during the 7th year of Han Emperor Guang Wu (reigned A.D. 25 – 57).  That corresponds to A.D. 31, which means that this major eclipse happened 34 years after the astral events involving the magi! “[At the time of Christ’s birth]

“Even more incredibly, a commentary in the Record of the Latter Han Dynasty, said simply,

‘Eclipse on the day of Gui Hai, Man from heaven died.’

The man from heaven died!  Could there be a more apt description or a more accurate understanding of the Cruxifiction?

God’s love extends to all the nations of the world, and in some unique and unknown way, He gave special insight to Chinese astronomers to understand what He was doing.  We are all sinners, even the emperor, but God laid all our sins on His only Son, Jesus Christ.”

Thong then goes on to describe how the Record of the Han Dynasty records that a rainbow encircled the sun three days after the eclipse, which corresponds with the day of Christ’s resurrection.

Perhaps these are contributing factors to the phenomenon of China already having more Christians than Communist Party members!

By all of this do I mean to suggest that the concepts of God presented in all of these religions are basically equivalent and that one should be free to pick whichever religious tradition best suits one’s taste?  Certainly not.

My main point is that the God of Christianity has not chosen to reveal himself exclusively to Christians.  Rather, the God of Christianity, far from being the tribal God of white skinned westerners, is an utterly transcultural and transhistorical God that used the focal point of one man, at one point in history, to accomplish his self-sacrifice as atonement for human sin.  And, in modern times, Christianity is truly the most global of all religions, with large numbers of adherents in all of the inhabited continents.

Galatians 3:8, in the Christian Bible states, “All nations will be blessed through you.”

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*Please click on this link for a more in-depth understanding of what I mean by “Hindu scriptures” and “Hinduism.”

For further reading on the phenomenon of Jesus, please read the following books:

1) Who Moved the Stone? by Frank Morison.  When Morison, a British journalist, set out to write this book, his intent was to prove once and for all that the story of Christ’s resurrection is false.  In the process of researching for the book, however, he came to the opposite conclusion.

2) The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller.

3) A Case for the Divinity of Jesus by Dean Overman.  The author was a Templeton Scholar at Oxford University and is absolutely brilliant.

4) C.S. Lewis’ Case for Christ by Arthur Lindsley.  C.S. Lewis was an atheist Professor of Medieval and Renaissance English at Cambridge University.  His encyclopedic knowledge of mythology, coupled with his conversations with his friend J.R.R. Tolkein (author of The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings) led him to conclude that Christianity is a “true myth.”  Please read my essay Isn’t Christianity a Myth to explore this subject further.

5) The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.  Like Morison, Strobel was an investigative journalist and an atheist.  When he set out to investigate the claims surrounding Jesus, he did so with the intent to disprove….but came to the opposite conclusion.

15 thoughts on Which God is real?

  1. Hi Scott, What do u know of the language of the ancient books of the OT? I had one guy quote this “check the translation of the Canaanite/Phoenician alphabet system which is called Hebrew, your Bible was written in the Black Canaanite language not the Aramaic Square Script.” What if any would be the consequences of this claim? I cant really see what it would matter whether the claim is true or whether the OT was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, would it?

  2. Great website ( i mean stunningly good. Brilliant!) I am really learning a lot from you! R (btw CS Lewis fro Oxford University, not Cambridge)

    • Rich:

      Thanks much. I love to get positive input, as it keeps me encouraged that the website is making a difference. Please do me a favor and let your Facebook friends know about my site (if you have a Facebook account).

      Regarding C.S. Lewis, he was actually at both Oxford and Cambridge (at different points in his career).

      Scott

  3. I have to say that I am crazy impressed! This website is amazing and I thank you so much for the information! As a young student I have made it one of my missions to spread the word in this way and this website is helping me tons!

    One of the things I really would suggest is to maybe change the name of the site into, lets say, isgodreal.com or isthereagod.com so that people who search that on google find your site first in their search and more and more people will read it! Or maybe just put more keywords on your site that fit the standard.

    Also I wish to make one of these sites myself, but I don’t enough to actually make it haha, but if I may suggest creating another link in the site or portal to quick answers for all these questions mainly for kids my age, because they find reading all of this bothersome, which is sad for them because its rich with answers and knowledge. But I feel if they can get quick answers they may be persuaded to continue to read the whole site fully!

    • Gabriel:

      Thanks for the compliment. It is heart warming to know that the site is useful to people. I am working with a search engine optimization guy right now to help the site get more traffic.

      I like your ideas and will seriously consider your suggestions. I have acted on many suggestions from readers in the past (such as getting Facebook and Twitter links).

      Do me a favor and notify your Facebook friends about the site.

      Scott

  4. Scott,

    I agree with the above comments. Great site and great post in particular.

    One questions I do have though in regard to this post is how is this different, or what kind of information may be presented that can counter an Atheists claim that “See Christianity just stole ideas from other religions and beliefs!”

    Now we know that in general, that claim is totally false (ie, Zeitgeist, Dionysus, etc) but as I read this post, I continued to wait for this claim to be addressed.

    Anyway, hoping you might have information, data, insight on how such a claim would be countered in light of this post. For example, how the writers would have had no contact with the others due to time of writing, physical locations, etc.

    I’ve never heard this information before so I found it very intriguing.

    Thanks for what you do! Keep up the good work

    • Nate:

      My essay titled Isn’t Christianity a Myth? pertains to your question.

      Also, below is an excerpt from Lee Strobel’s book A Case for Christ which pertains to your question. It features Strobel interviewing Ivy-League educated theology professor Gregory Boyd.

      JESUS AND THE “MYSTERY RELIGIONS”

      OK, I thought to myself, let’s give this one more try. A lot of college students are taught that many of the themes seen in the life of Jesus are merely echoes of ancient “mystery religions,” in which there are stories about gods dying and rising, and rituals of baptism and communion. “What about those parallels?” I asked. “That was a very popular argument at the beginning of the century, but it generally died off because it was so discredited. For one thing, given the timing involved, if you’re going to argue for borrowing, it should be from the direction of Christianity to the mystery religions, not vice versa. “Also, the mystery religions were do-your-own-thing religions that freely borrowed ideas from various places. However, the Jews carefully guarded their beliefs from outside influences. They saw themselves as a separate people and strongly resisted pagan ideas and rituals.” To me, the most interesting potential parallels were the mythological tales of gods dying and rising.

      “Aren’t those stories similar to Christian beliefs?” I asked. “While it’s true that some mystery religions had stories of gods dying and rising, these stories always revolved around the natural life cycle of death and rebirth,” Boyd said. “Crops die in the fall and come to life in the spring. People express the wonder of this ongoing phenomenon through mythological stories about gods dying and rising. These stories were always cast in a legendary form. They depicted events that happened ‘once upon a time.’ “Contrast that with the depiction of Jesus Christ in the gospels. They talk about someone who actually lived several decades earlier, and they name names—crucified under Pontius Pilate, when Caiaphas was the high priest, and the father of Alexander and Rufus carried his cross, for example. That’s concrete historical stuff. It has nothing in common with stories about what supposedly happened ‘once upon a time.’ “And Christianity has nothing to do with life cycles or the harvest. It has to do with a very Jewish belief—which is absent from the mystery religions—about the resurrection of the dead and about life eternal and reconciliation with God. “As for the suggestion that the New Testament doctrines of baptism or communion come from mystery religions, that’s just nonsense. For one thing, the evidence for these supposed parallels comes after the second century, so any borrowing would have come from Christianity, not the other way around.

      “And when you look carefully, the similarities vanish. For instance, to get to a higher level in the Mithra cult, followers had to stand under a bull while it was slain, so they could be bathed in its blood and guts. Then they’d join the others in eating the bull. “Now, to suggest that Jews would find anything attractive about this and want to model baptism and communion after this barbaric practice is extremely implausible, which is why most scholars don’t go for it.”

      Thanks for the compliments! Such compliments keep me encouraged.

      Scott

  5. Fantastic article! As a lover of mythology and a Christian, I’ve always wondered if maybe other religions had a link to Judaism. I’m glad to see that there is some evidence for it. Keep up the good work!

    • Jeremy:

      If you liked this essay, you might also like Isn’t Christianity a Myth? It also delves into the topic of mythology as it pertains to Christianity.

      Thanks for the compliment.

      Scott

      P.S: I am always trying to boost traffic, so if you were to mention my site to your Facebook friends, it would be appreciated.

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